Berlin (like Wright) had reasons for feeling bitter towards America . . . but I won't go into that again since you read my website.
danny | Homepage | 03.22.08 - 5:24 pm | #
I find your comparison of Wright to Berlin somewhat baffling. Are you saying that Jewish grievances against America are stronger and more legitimate than African American grievances against America? I'm Jewish myself, and while there certainly has been an element of anti-semitism in America's history, I don't see any crime committed against American Jews that's on par with the horrors of slavery.
et me clear up a few points.
I never said that I did not read a Wright sermon. If you will check back I said the opposite. I also said whether Wright is divisive and hurtful in his sermons is a closed topic . . . it is closed because Obama conceded the point. Why waste my time debating a point that has been conceded?
Yes I have posted some of my exchanges on my site. I got the idea (maybe reminded of the idea is more accurate) from Yaki. I visited his homepage and I found that he routinely posts discussions that took place on other sites. I thought that was a good idea, so I decided to do the same. Perhaps doing that may save time here. I notice some posters keep asking the same questions and posting the same fallacious arguments. If they would just read my homepage, maybe we would not have to go over ground that has been covered. BTW I have no advertising on my homepage and receive zero dollars from it. I think Yaki's situation is the same.
I agree that Jewish people have been much more successful than whites. I also believe that much of that success stems from Jewish culture. Weber, a sociologist, did a famous study where he concluded that the Protestant culture with its work ethic worked extremely well in promoting success. But, I believe that he concluded that Jewish culture was even better.
In my experience in school, I would say that white students generally perform better than African American students. That is not to say that I haven’t met some extremely bright and gifted African American students. It is like saying that men are generally taller than women. That is not discounting the fact that there are some really tall women and some really short men. Still, men are generally taller. White students generally do better.
There was a discredited professor who published some study that concluded that white people are genetically superior to blacks. I might be tempted to agree, except for one thing. I have had the opportunity to meet a sizable number of black students from Caribbean States. I am speaking of small countries like Jamaica and Dominica. Almost all of these students just beat the crap out of white students (in terms of being academically successful). They beat the crap out of me. They haven’t had preachers like Wright telling them how the odds are stacked against them because they are victims of oppression. No, in their culture, they are expected to perform, and perform they do. They consistently beat white Americans even though they possess the same African genes as African Americans.
I still say that Jewish Americans have as much or more reason to wallow in their victimization as African Americans. If they did, they would (on the whole) be just has impoverished as African Americans. But they don’t. They are motivated by their culture to perform. And that is the difference.
Happy Easter!!!!
Yes I have posted some of my exchanges on my site. I got the idea (maybe reminded of the idea is more accurate) from Yaki. I visited his homepage and I found that he routinely posts discussions that took place on other sites. I thought that was a good idea, so I decided to do the same. Perhaps doing that may save time here. I notice some posters keep asking the same questions and posting the same fallacious arguments. If they would just read my homepage, maybe we would not have to go over ground that has been covered. BTW I have no advertising on my homepage and receive zero dollars from it. I think Yaki's situation is the same.
You're full of shit. The only person I've copied posts from is one fruitcake named Jeremiah. You know,that same guy you said in your initial post that you "didn't know who he was.
And it's what,3 posts? What a bullshitter you are. Anyone can go to your blog,you know. The initial posts on your site are of a conversation you "think" you won with someone,when the simple fact is,they got tired of listening to you echo yourself and left you to wallow in your own ignorance.
And surely someone as well read as you are Danny,can spell someone's name when it's just a few posts ahead of yours. Funny,and sad. That's all you got.
Yakki.PsD | Homepage | 03.23.08 - 6:33 pm | #
I take that back,of the three posts,the second was a c&p of other posters. The first you had a "mock" debate between you and Rocky Anderson.
As if.
Second was a debate between someone and you over Rocky Anderson's debate with Sean Hannity.
Carry water much?
Here,let me help ya. Here's the second post from your blog,from BEFORE you ever stepped foot on Newshounds:
http://thumbsnap.com/v/iG1ys6w5.jpg
So when did you start copying your little diatribes from other websites again? Or do you intend to play the consumate Republitard,and blame it on a liberal?
Yakki.PsD | Homepage | 03.23.08 - 6:38 pm | #
I agree that Jewish people have been much more successful than whites.
danny
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This is a very telling statement. Jewish people ARE white for the most part... not that there's anything wrong with being non-white but being Jewish is a religion, not a race.
Ellen | Homepage | 03.23.08 - 6:42 pm | #
Ellen: Exactly.
The Lemba of Africa carry the gene for the priestly class of Hebrews.
And they are definetly Black.
Yakki.PsD | Homepage | 03.23.08 - 6:48 pm | #
And honestly I suspect that a great many Americans would be offended by your characterization that African Americans are wallowing in their victimization.
Amused | 03.23.08 - 6:23 pm |
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Speaking as an African American male, I find that characterization offensive on occasion, but on the whole find it not so much offensive as I find it sad . . .
Sad that those who wish to make that characterization find it easier to do that to than make any attempt to understand or help change any of the conditions or factors that lead to our "victimization."
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mj | 03.23.08 - 7:51 pm | #
This is a very telling statement. Jewish people ARE white for the most part... not that there's anything wrong with being non-white but being Jewish is a religion, not a race.
Ellen | Homepage | 03.23.08 - 6:42 pm | #
Ellen, the Jews are a people; an ethnic group, just like the Italians or the French. They have their own language, called Hebrew. They have their own culture. Most Israelies are not religious at all. But they are Jews nonetheless. Yes, there is a religion that is called Judiasm, and anyone can join. But that is the exception and not the rule for what defines a Jew.
Fast Eddie | 03.23.08 - 8:10 pm | #
(maybe reminded of the idea is more accurate)
Yakki,
I guess you must have missed the above line from my post. For your benefit, I am putting it in bold. It is true that I did post the debate I had with an Anderson supporter. But if you will notice it has been a long time since I had posted a second time. After going to your site I was inspired to post again. Thought it was a good idea.
Sorry about misspelling your name. When you have it on preview you can't go up to previous posts and I honestly could not remember whether it was one k or two ks. I meant no disrespect. Especially since I now see that it is such a big deal to you, I will never make that mistake again.
I am sorry mj that you took offense about my characterization. I don't think that there are big differences between people. I don't think that there is such a thing as a white person a black person. If you look closely you will see that no one is really white and no one is really black. We are all different shades of pink or brown.
There are, however, cultural differences between people that can be profound. I think I mentioned Weber's famous study where he said that Catholics tend to be less successful than Protestants and Protestants are not quite as success-oriented as Jews. You see, Ellen, I am saying that it is culture that differentiates people and not genetics or race.
Some people get the wrong idea when they look at performance in school. I think whites generally tend to perform better than African Americans and Asians tend to perform better that whites. I don't think I am genetically superior to African American or genetically inferior to Asians.
I honestly believe that African Americans tend to revel in being victims. I see much of this in Wright's preaching. He seems to pound it in people's heads that they are victims . . . they will never get anywhere . . . that black people are still oppressed by whitey . . . the cards are stacked against them. Africans from the Caribbean don't have this attitude. They came over to their countries in chains, but their eyes are not on their past. They have never been told that they can't perform or get ahead, so they tend to outperform white students.
Performance is related to culture and not genetics. Ultimately the problem is not Whitey. If African Americans can just fix the problems in their culture, they will be much more successful. If that offends anyone I am truly sorry, but that is what I believe.
danny | Homepage | 03.23.08 - 8:30 pm | #
danny and Fast Eddie,
As a Jewish person, I find your comments offensive. Please do not post any more on this subject.
Ellen | Homepage | 03.23.08 - 9:06 pm | #
Ellen,
I did not hear you say that my comments about the Jewish people were not true. If you think that, then say that.
Are the Jews not a people, with their own language and culture, just like the French and Italians?
Did they not have their own country destroyed by the Romans 2,000 years ago?
Is it not true that most Jews in Israel are not religious at all?
Fast Eddie | 03.23.08 - 10:21 pm | #
figured I had better put my work here before it becomes deleted. I did make a bonehead mistake in this exchange. I said that Jews are more successful than whites. I had meant to say that Jews are more successful than blacks. I was not trying to deal the Jewish people out of being Caucasians. Not all Jewish people are Caucasian, but most who live in this country are.
I am sure Ellen thinks I am a racist for saying what I said. She is very hypersensitive to what she thinks is racism. I think really there is too much of that BS going on. It is not only that Hannity is a racist, but Ferraro is a racist and if you make a list of people who are called racist because their comments are not considered PC you would have a list a mile long. I am probably now banned from her site. Oh well. If that happens, Iwon't use a sockpuppet to get back in.
